there is some republicans saying it's not a big deal it happened in the short term in the 1970's, just pay the interest, the rest of it will catch up. what do you say to that? >> well, there are a come of stageness out there. first there are some who believe that the treasury department has a bag of tricks and they'll make this all go away and it's just not true. the administration has been very very transparent and the measures that are taken in this situation are quite well-known to insiders in this field. and they've been used and they're going to run out of cash on august 2. so that's not going to happen. it's not a big deal and they need to take a look at our study which they can do on the website. you can pay the social safety net for example, pay those programs, shoacialt security, medicare, medicaid, food stamps things like that. if you do that, protect the old, the sick and the poor, then you haven't got a dollar for national defense, not a dollar.